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Post by 2012mom on Mar 16, 2022 21:18:51 GMT -6
That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. If anyone would understand sometimes it’s better long-term to tear something down to start from scratch than to dump money into existing underperforming assets, it’s real estate investors. I would almost expect a willingness to rebuild from someone like the Wilfs than other owners. Yep. "Sunk costs," and all that. Edit: FWIW, I agree with you re: a rebuild, especially of the defense. But to do that, you have to have enough cap space and draft capital, and the Vikings don't.
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Post by comet52 on Mar 17, 2022 10:07:30 GMT -6
I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished? That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. Common sense says the Wilfs should stop trying to run a football team after 17 years of failing to accomplish the goal. The more they meddle the more they fail and we appear to be in full committee mode now at TCO.
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Post by marshalltohof on Mar 17, 2022 10:26:58 GMT -6
A good article: "The logical thing here would be to call for patience. Let’s let this whole thing play out rather than judging the painting before it’s finished. But it’s looking like a Picasso right now — and not in a good way. In a too-abstract-to-get-it way. Only instead of artistic types being the only ones who understand it, it’s only the fans who defend every move that can appreciate the true beauty in complete roster chaos." What exactly are the Minnesota Vikings doing?
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2022 10:43:16 GMT -6
A good article: "The logical thing here would be to call for patience. Let’s let this whole thing play out rather than judging the painting before it’s finished. But it’s looking like a Picasso right now — and not in a good way. In a too-abstract-to-get-it way. Only instead of artistic types being the only ones who understand it, it’s only the fans who defend every move that can appreciate the true beauty in complete roster chaos." What exactly are the Minnesota Vikings doing?For all the complaining about Rick he and Brez had the team setup to go into full rebuild mode this year trading and cutting some vets and opening up massive cap room in 23'. Looks like Wilfs were not interested and might be why they lost out on one of their top 2 GM candidates. The situation now stinks of too many folks overtop of KAM getting involved in the football decisions. Maybe the quick turn around from rumors of Rick staying and moving upstairs to out is that he asked for a rebuild? Also rumors that he wanted to trade Kirk last year now and Wilf's nixed it. It is obvious the Wilf's want to remain playoff competitive and that leaves KAM and KOC in a tough spot trying to make the roster work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 10:45:31 GMT -6
Its all about choices, players or team and only they decide where to go or who to sign. Vikings are busy trying to get cap down first but doing what they need to by signing their choices asap.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2022 10:55:32 GMT -6
Its all about choices, players or team and only they decide where to go or who to sign. Vikings are busy trying to get cap down first but doing what they need to by signing their choices asap. They were in the bidding for Corbett so if they got him some of the signings they made probably would not have happened.
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Post by frantheman10 on Mar 17, 2022 11:23:44 GMT -6
A good article: "The logical thing here would be to call for patience. Let’s let this whole thing play out rather than judging the painting before it’s finished. But it’s looking like a Picasso right now — and not in a good way. In a too-abstract-to-get-it way. Only instead of artistic types being the only ones who understand it, it’s only the fans who defend every move that can appreciate the true beauty in complete roster chaos." What exactly are the Minnesota Vikings doing?For all the complaining about Rick he and Brez had the team setup to go into full rebuild mode this year trading and cutting some vets and opening up massive cap room in 23'. Looks like Wilfs were not interested and might be why they lost out on one of their top 2 GM candidates. The situation now stinks of too many folks overtop of KAM getting involved in the football decisions. Maybe the quick turn around from rumors of Rick staying and moving upstairs to out is that he asked for a rebuild? Also rumors that he wanted to trade Kirk last year now and Wilf's nixed it. It is obvious the Wilf's want to remain playoff competitive and that leaves KAM and KOC in a tough spot trying to make the roster work. I think you're right. I don't have a problem with management's execution of the strategy. I have a problem with the strategy. The Wilfs want to stay playoff competitive in 2022 and KAM is trying to do that with no cap. I don't see why you would extend an average 34 yr old QB. Or restructure a fading 33 yr old safety. You trade these guys and get them off the books and invest that cap in a guy like James Daniels who is 24 and could be your RG for 5 years or a young CB to pair with Cam. You could trade up in the first this year to get a stud rookie DE and move off Hunter and his contract. This team had the opportunity for a big reset but they chose to run back the 2021 team with some tweeks. 8-9 here we come.
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Post by lunas on Mar 17, 2022 11:26:31 GMT -6
Darren Wolfson speculated that Ryan Poles never took a formal interview because the Wilf’s wouldn’t let him reset the team like he is doing with the Bears.
Is Kwesi frustrated or just a puppet for the Wilf’s?
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 17, 2022 11:27:46 GMT -6
A good article: "The logical thing here would be to call for patience. Let’s let this whole thing play out rather than judging the painting before it’s finished. But it’s looking like a Picasso right now — and not in a good way. In a too-abstract-to-get-it way. Only instead of artistic types being the only ones who understand it, it’s only the fans who defend every move that can appreciate the true beauty in complete roster chaos." What exactly are the Minnesota Vikings doing?For all the complaining about Rick he and Brez had the team setup to go into full rebuild mode this year trading and cutting some vets and opening up massive cap room in 23'. Looks like Wilfs were not interested and might be why they lost out on one of their top 2 GM candidates. The situation now stinks of too many folks overtop of KAM getting involved in the football decisions. Maybe the quick turn around from rumors of Rick staying and moving upstairs to out is that he asked for a rebuild? Also rumors that he wanted to trade Kirk last year now and Wilf's nixed it. It is obvious the Wilf's want to remain playoff competitive and that leaves KAM and KOC in a tough spot trying to make the roster work. A GM planning a rebuild 3 years out is tantamount to saying I have done a terrible job at drafting for the past 4+ years.
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Post by 1angryviking on Mar 17, 2022 11:29:22 GMT -6
Darren Wolfson speculated that Ryan Poles never took a formal interview because the Wilf’s wouldn’t let him reset the team like he is doing with the Bears. Is Kwesi frustrated or just a puppet for the Wilf’s? I think this a frustrated fan base that is stuck is in a perpetual negative mood.
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Post by lunas on Mar 17, 2022 11:35:51 GMT -6
Darren Wolfson speculated that Ryan Poles never took a formal interview because the Wilf’s wouldn’t let him reset the team like he is doing with the Bears. Is Kwesi frustrated or just a puppet for the Wilf’s? I think this a frustrated fan base that is stuck is in a perpetual negative mood. If there were positive news, the fan base wouldn’t be so negative. The blueprint to win a SB is simple. 1. Have a HOF QB. 2. Have a HOF QB on a rookie contract. 3. If you don’t have the first 2, have a pass rushing defensive line that will disrupt 1 and 2. The Vikes must have a new blueprint because none of the 3 rules are being followed.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2022 11:37:06 GMT -6
Darren Wolfson speculated that Ryan Poles never took a formal interview because the Wilf’s wouldn’t let him reset the team like he is doing with the Bears. Is Kwesi frustrated or just a puppet for the Wilf’s? I started asking that question about Poles a while ago. I think KAM is stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think KAM wanted to trade Kirk and Wilf's and KOC wanted to keep. Everything else is what it is based off that decision. Hunter just doesn't seem to be that hard as they could give him 25 mil SB and maybe a boost to 23' pay a bit and turn the void years into voidable contract years and have 24' 12 mil in dead like Kirk if they decide to move on then. If they are holding out for max trade value that window passed a week ago on him.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2022 11:38:06 GMT -6
For all the complaining about Rick he and Brez had the team setup to go into full rebuild mode this year trading and cutting some vets and opening up massive cap room in 23'. Looks like Wilfs were not interested and might be why they lost out on one of their top 2 GM candidates. The situation now stinks of too many folks overtop of KAM getting involved in the football decisions. Maybe the quick turn around from rumors of Rick staying and moving upstairs to out is that he asked for a rebuild? Also rumors that he wanted to trade Kirk last year now and Wilf's nixed it. It is obvious the Wilf's want to remain playoff competitive and that leaves KAM and KOC in a tough spot trying to make the roster work. A GM planning a rebuild 3 years out is tantamount to saying I have done a terrible job at drafting for the past 4+ years. It just would have meant seeking a new QB while rebuilding the defense.
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 17, 2022 11:39:26 GMT -6
I think this a frustrated fan base that is stuck is in a perpetual negative mood. If there were positive news, the fan base wouldn’t be so negative. The blueprint to win a SB is simple. 1. Have a HOF QB. 2. Have a HOF QB on a rookie contract. 3. If you don’t have the first 2, have a pass rushing defensive line that will disrupt 1 and 2. The Vikes must have a new blueprint because none of the 3 rules are being followed. Been like 16 or 17 years since the team has used a 1st or 2nd round pick to draft a defensive lineman.
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Post by shawn3458 on Mar 17, 2022 11:40:27 GMT -6
For all the complaining about Rick he and Brez had the team setup to go into full rebuild mode this year trading and cutting some vets and opening up massive cap room in 23'. Looks like Wilfs were not interested and might be why they lost out on one of their top 2 GM candidates. The situation now stinks of too many folks overtop of KAM getting involved in the football decisions. Maybe the quick turn around from rumors of Rick staying and moving upstairs to out is that he asked for a rebuild? Also rumors that he wanted to trade Kirk last year now and Wilf's nixed it. It is obvious the Wilf's want to remain playoff competitive and that leaves KAM and KOC in a tough spot trying to make the roster work. I think you're right. I don't have a problem with management's execution of the strategy. I have a problem with the strategy. The Wilfs want to stay playoff competitive in 2022 and KAM is trying to do that with no cap. I don't see why you would extend an average 34 yr old QB. Or restructure a fading 33 yr old safety. You trade these guys and get them off the books and invest that cap in a guy like James Daniels who is 24 and could be your RG for 5 years or a young CB to pair with Cam. You could trade up in the first this year to get a stud rookie DE and move off Hunter and his contract. This team had the opportunity for a big reset but they chose to run back the 2021 team with some tweeks. 8-9 here we come. Agree. The $45mil hit for Cousins would have been a tough pill to swallow but it could have been done. The full reset could have started now and continued in earnest in 2023. Now we have added another substantial QB cap hit for 2023 and pushed more money into void years. The holy grail of huge cap increases better happen or the Vikes are going to be in the exact same position for the foreseeable future.
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