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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 15, 2022 19:09:55 GMT -6
So be it ,and the Vikings are NEVER winning the Super Bowl with Cousins.. it is what it is If you feel that way you should quit watching. Youβre hatred of Cousins is blinding you. Yeah thats it
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Post by 2012mom on Mar 15, 2022 20:03:21 GMT -6
So be it ,and the Vikings are NEVER winning the Super Bowl with Cousins.. it is what it is If you feel that way you should quit watching. Youβre hatred of Cousins is blinding you. There's a difference between hated of Cousins and seeing the limitations of having a QB who is good, but not great, without the cap space to build both an offense and defense around him. We have most of an offense right now, but not even a complete starting defense, much less any depth. I very much hope that my cynicism will be shown to be absolutely wrong. If Kirk is Super Bowl MVP here, I'll be the first to salute him.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 15, 2022 20:55:47 GMT -6
I thought Cousins might get traded.
I was wrong and Redbird was correct. I don't think it was ever happening.
Could be he wasn't easy to shop, could be we never really intended to shop him. I was glad to see his cap hit lowered. Also this at worst buys the team time to find/groom a replacement.
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Post by shawn3458 on Mar 15, 2022 22:05:00 GMT -6
I thought Cousins might get traded. I was wrong and Redbird was correct.Β I don't think it was ever happening.Β Β Could be he wasn't easy to shop, could be we never really intended to shop him.Β I was glad to see his cap hit lowered.Β Also this at worst buys the team time to find/groom a replacement.Β Β Until they bring Mannion back to hog all the 2nd team snaps.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 16, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -6
FA contracts are almost always WAY overvalued for what you get in tier 1. It's pretty rare you see a FA signing be a game changer. It happens on occasion when the situation is perfect, but most of the really impactful moves come via trade not FA. Do you remember how much we paid for Rieff and Remmers...neither was a stud. In fact Reiff was average at best, had a lot of limitations and Remmers was pretty much below average. Only FA's I can remember coming here in the last 20 years that had a true impact were 1) Farve 2) Linval and 3) Winfield 4) Cousins and we sign a lot of FA every year. Pat Pete was OK, but I still think we overpaid for what we got. My point is with most FA you wind up with a player that disappoints (See Pierce and Tomlinson) and can't play up to their contract and yet you are stuck with them for an extended period of time due to all the dead cap. So perhaps (I'm just spit balling) if they aren't able to trade away any of the Vets for any meaningful picks, and we have a ton of young unpolished players drafted for potential with high upsides but little film to go off of, the strategy is changing to one of "let's make some small tweaks, draft well and see who excels and who fits well in the new system and THEN we'll start making wholesale changes in 23 when the cap hits are less to unload and we know a whole lot more about our players and where our true holes are before locking ourselves into overpriced contracts for players we may not need or even want. I could be totally off....but it could very well be part of the discussion right now. Thoughts?? Hate to say it but your #4 impact player made the team worse than it was the previous year... While it was fun with Case at the helm seriously doubt he plays to that level the next year. So while I agree we took a step back as a team QB play was overall better.
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Post by mjollnir on Mar 16, 2022 8:03:30 GMT -6
Here is my take on Kirk. The Vikings opened their window on replacing him. Nothing in the draft this year made it remotely possible to find his replacement. So they extend and look for option in next years draft. Yes it hurts the team a bit short term to get free agents but seriously looking at the draft and having a new FO that is not anti rookie means we can get some of the younger guys on the field.
Pierce being jettisoned shows that being a vested Vet with no return really doesn't buy anything with this FO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 8:21:28 GMT -6
Until they bring Mannion back to hog all the 2nd team snaps. Bwahaha..
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 16, 2022 11:55:54 GMT -6
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Post by comet52 on Mar 16, 2022 12:26:59 GMT -6
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Yeah Mark... zzzzzzzzzz.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 16, 2022 18:33:12 GMT -6
I've been saying for weeks that the extend Kirk and win now road was a fool's errand. A Kirk extension was never going to give you enough money to be a player in FA and we had too many vets making too much on inflexible contracts. We extended Kirk but still have no capital to improve the O line or fix a putrid defense. We should have gutted the house in 2022 but the Wilfs were afraid to have a 4-5 win season but we'll if they feel better after winning 7-8 games. I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished?
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Post by 2012mom on Mar 16, 2022 19:26:42 GMT -6
I've been saying for weeks that the extend Kirk and win now road was a fool's errand.Β A Kirk extension was never going to give you enough money to be a player in FA and we had too many vets making too much on inflexible contracts.Β We extended Kirk but still have no capital to improve the O line or fix a putrid defense.Β We should have gutted the house in 2022 but the Wilfs were afraid to have a 4-5 win season but we'll if they feel better after winning 7-8 games. I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished? That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101.
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Post by skolvike on Mar 16, 2022 19:47:19 GMT -6
I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished? That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. Whatever the Wilfs decided, fear wasn't part of the decision. Logic tells ME anyway that the Vikings are far from being bereft of talent, especially on the offense. Add that to the numerous draft choices Zimmer left riding the pine or even worse, inactive for virtually the entire season. There were several reasons BOTH Spielman and Zimmer were canned, and I believe one of them was lack of even an attempt to develop draftees after they were acquired. The offense is basically set except for a C and G, and the D needs work. That's obvious, but ridding themselves of al the proven present talent for a bunch of draft picks who may or may not succeed on the NFL level is what keeps teams like the Lions, Jags, and the old Bengals in constant rebuild mode. There are people who need to be replaced, yes. That's true in every team every year. Do that, but keep the solid core this team has and improve it. That's logical to me. "Please God, protect me from those with draconian ideas."
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Post by Vikeroo on Mar 16, 2022 19:51:27 GMT -6
I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished? That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. Might be why one of our GM finalists is in Chicago starting a full rebuild and why our other one is here because he accepted not starting a rebuild. We will be rebuilding the defense so the team is at least partly in rebuild.
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Post by 2012mom on Mar 16, 2022 20:13:23 GMT -6
That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. Might be why one of our GM finalists is in Chicago starting a full rebuild and why our other one is here because he accepted not starting a rebuild. We will be rebuilding the defense so the team is at least partly in rebuild. Well when your defense is in the bottom of the league two years running, you'd hope it would be in rebuild mode. But when you have no cap space, you'd better be awfully good in your drafting.
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Post by shawn3458 on Mar 16, 2022 20:41:18 GMT -6
I do love how some of you guys have such intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the Wilf's minds. Tell me, is it telepathy, secret mikes in the Wilf's bathroom, paid informers, or simply a turd you pulled out of your butt and polished? That's not my post, but common sense says that the Wilfs were not going to approve of selling off Cousins and other vets to build cap space and draft capital for a rebuild. If they really wanted a rebuild, we would be in the midst of one, but it's obviously not happening. Why is that? The Wilfs just hired a new GM and new HC. It's only logic to figure that discussions of rebuild vs keeping the roster together had to be part of the interview process, and the new GM and HC are marching in the direction they were told to go, or else the Wilfs chose them because they said this was the direction they would go if chosen. This is remedial logic, not even Logic 101. If anyone would understand sometimes itβs better long-term to tear something down to start from scratch than to dump money into existing underperforming assets, itβs real estate investors. I would almost expect a willingness to rebuild from someone like the Wilfs than other owners.
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