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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2022 14:49:26 GMT -6
Reality is they have less then 20 hours to open enough cap space to even complete the one FA signing they have made when new league year opens. They have 2.4 mil of cap at the moment without Phillips and you cant really get his number on 3 yr/ 19 M deal under that unless they gave him like 3 M SB and league min this year which seems unlikely. If I were e betting man I think right now you are looking at restructuring at least 4 contracts and possibly cutting someone like Kendricks as a post June 1st guy to have the rookie pool money with. They are talking to FA's so they have to have some plan. If they were going to trade Hunter all along his value was highest before the start of free agency. It is why most teams setup their big trades before free agency. I don't think they ever wanted to trade Hunter unless they got blown away by the offer. Doogie said today that they would most likely just convert the Roster bonus to a signing bonus if they can't extend/renegotiate, and mentioned nothing about Hunter refusing to play under that contract. He would still receive 20 mill this year.
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Post by tavike on Mar 15, 2022 14:59:19 GMT -6
This is the sad truth, not a lot we can do over the next two years with the money going to a QB who cannot carry a team. I see two more years of what we have gone through the last 4 with no real shot of being competitive. The rest of FA and the draft is not going to move the needle for us. They shudnt have done the Kirk deal. They cud try to treat it as a sign and trade, but now they have the extra hurdle of a no trade clause. Cudn't make this stuff up if u tried. I am far from a Kirk fan, but giving it some thought today, I came to these realizations. Under the Shanahan/McVay philosophy, Goff got to a super bowl because of a great offense- Goff Stinks, Stafford won a super bowl despite making boneheaded throw after boneheaded throw the entire season, Garapallo has been a competent QB, (and he's really not that good, believe me, I live in SF and I've seen all his games) and going back to Matt Ryan..What has he done since Shanahan left him besides being Kirk Cousins twin. So, mostly out of "what the hell else I'm I gonna do", I am committed (and some say I should be committed) to giving O'connell a chance with Cousins using the Shanahan offensive philosophy. That said..Fix the damn O-line.
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Post by drhoades on Mar 15, 2022 15:15:40 GMT -6
They shudnt have done the Kirk deal. They cud try to treat it as a sign and trade, but now they have the extra hurdle of a no trade clause. Cudn't make this stuff up if u tried. I am far from a Kirk fan, but giving it some thought today, I came to these realizations. Under the Shanahan/McVay philosophy, Goff got to a super bowl because of a great offense- Goff Stinks, Stafford won a super bowl despite making boneheaded throw after boneheaded throw the entire season, Garapallo has been a competent QB, (and he's really not that good, believe me, I live in SF and I've seen all his games) and going back to Matt Ryan..What has he done since Shanahan left him besides being Kirk Cousins twin. So, mostly out of "what the hell else I'm I gonna do", I am committed (and some say I should be committed) to giving O'connell a chance with Cousins using the Shanahan offensive philosophy. That said..Fix the damn O-line. this exactly
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Post by kato70s on Mar 15, 2022 15:20:12 GMT -6
They shudnt have done the Kirk deal. They cud try to treat it as a sign and trade, but now they have the extra hurdle of a no trade clause. Cudn't make this stuff up if u tried. I am far from a Kirk fan, but giving it some thought today, I came to these realizations. Under the Shanahan/McVay philosophy, Goff got to a super bowl because of a great offense- Goff Stinks, Stafford won a super bowl despite making boneheaded throw after boneheaded throw the entire season, Garapallo has been a competent QB, (and he's really not that good, believe me, I live in SF and I've seen all his games)Β and going back to Matt Ryan..What has he done since Shanahan left him besides being Kirk Cousins twin.Β Β So, mostly out of "what the hell else I'm I gonna do", I am committed (and some say I should be committed) to giving O'connell a chance with Cousins using the Shanahan offensive philosophy.Β That said..Fix the damn O-line. I am more in the "we'll see" school of thought. Obv I wish for big success as I have been a team fan for decades and clearly Vikings are my favorite MN team. I had hopes of signing a Center/OG, but no going to hold my breath.
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Post by taz24 on Mar 15, 2022 15:27:54 GMT -6
I am on board with what I have seen so far.
Thought they might move Kirk but figured the return would be minimal and tough to find a replacement.
Helped the cap some with what we did. Kirk can step up or we now have time to find someone.
This offseason was going to be waaaay more about keeping guys we need to keep and slightly changing for a new defense than adding guys.
We do not need any high price FA. They suck most the time after you have overpaid and end up being a weight around your neck.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 15, 2022 15:38:02 GMT -6
I am on board with what I have seen so far. Thought they might move Kirk but figured the return would be minimal and tough to find a replacement. Helped the cap some with what we did. Kirk can step up or we now have time to find someone. This offseason was going to be waaaay more about keeping guys we need to keep and slightly changing for a new defense than adding guys. We do not need any high price FA. They suck most the time after you have overpaid and end up being a weight around your neck. That is what I've been suggesting to a T! I still think we'll see some action in FA depending on a few contract issues getting resolved, but overall....I think you nailed it!
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Post by iceratz16 on Mar 15, 2022 15:38:07 GMT -6
Zimmer was a terrible HC and it has been apparent that he and Spielman didn't see eye-to-eye lately. There were obvious issues within the FO of the prior regime and the players have aired that they felt it as well.
Maybe this new leadership knows what they are doing, more than the prior FO and/or you and I. Haven't most here always said that we build through the draft because FA is where we would overpay?
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Post by taz24 on Mar 15, 2022 15:43:55 GMT -6
Yep.
The posters that are crying that we didn't trade Cousins and sign a bunch of overpriced FAs with the money are actually the ones looking for a quick fix.
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Post by 2012mom on Mar 15, 2022 15:56:25 GMT -6
Yep.Β Β The posters that are crying that we didn't trade Cousins and sign a bunch of overpriced FAs with the money are actually the ones looking for a quick fix.Β Β There's also the group of us who said to trade Cousins and anyone over 30 to build draft capital and cap space, finally build an OL, and build a defense, all while drafting a QB every year until you find one. I want a SB win. If that means a rebuild where there's a solid plan to get to 13+ win seasons after a couple of 4 win seasons, I'm for it. But that's not what's happening. It is what it is.
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 15, 2022 16:04:45 GMT -6
Yep. The posters that are crying that we didn't trade Cousins and sign a bunch of overpriced FAs with the money are actually the ones looking for a quick fix. There's also the group of us who said to trade Cousins and anyone over 30 to build draft capital and cap space, finally build an OL, and build a defense, all while drafting a QB every year until you find one. I want a SB win. If that means a rebuild where there's a solid plan to get to 13+ win seasons after a couple of 4 win seasons, I'm for it. But that's not what's happening. It is what it is. EXACTLY !!!!
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Post by cougar00 on Mar 15, 2022 16:07:18 GMT -6
Yep. The posters that are crying that we didn't trade Cousins and sign a bunch of overpriced FAs with the money are actually the ones looking for a quick fix. There's also the group of us who said to trade Cousins and anyone over 30 to build draft capital and cap space, finally build an OL, and build a defense, all while drafting a QB every year until you find one. I want a SB win. If that means a rebuild where there's a solid plan to get to 13+ win seasons after a couple of 4 win seasons, I'm for it. But that's not what's happening. It is what it is. Could not have said it any better Mom.
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Post by PrΰΆ§udhΰΆ§rn on Mar 15, 2022 16:36:04 GMT -6
There's also the group of us who said to trade Cousins and anyone over 30 to build draft capital and cap space, finally build an OL, and build a defense, all while drafting a QB every year until you find one. I want a SB win. If that means a rebuild where there's a solid plan to get to 13+ win seasons after a couple of 4 win seasons, I'm for it. But that's not what's happening. It is what it is. Could not have said it any better Mom. I've never seen anyone post any of those thoughts before toke People wanted to trade Cousins every 10 minutes? Must've missed it.
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 15, 2022 16:39:35 GMT -6
There's also the group of us who said to trade Cousins and anyone over 30 to build draft capital and cap space, finally build an OL, and build a defense, all while drafting a QB every year until you find one. I want a SB win. If that means a rebuild where there's a solid plan to get to 13+ win seasons after a couple of 4 win seasons, I'm for it. But that's not what's happening. It is what it is. Could not have said it any better Mom. If it were that simple .... every team would do it! It isn't....just ask the Dolphins and Browns. Furthermore, coaches and GM's want to keep their jobs so when you have a highly effective QB they don't typically like to give them away in the "Hope" of finding another one that can win in a 3 year window. Because if you haven't found that guy in 3 years you are probably are out of job. Don't believe me.....look at Matt Rule in Carolina. How long did Shurmer get in NY? NFL coaches get a very short window to win and the single most important factor in winning is sound QB play! Cousins' was NEVER getting traded unless he wouldn't sign an extension!
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Post by budgrant1 on Mar 15, 2022 16:48:56 GMT -6
Could not have said it any better Mom. If it were that simple .... every team would do it! It isn't....just ask the Dolphins and Browns. Furthermore, coaches and GM's want to keep their jobs so when you have a highly effective QB they don't typically like to give them away in the "Hope" of finding another one that can win in a 3 year window. Because if you haven't found that guy in 3 years you are probably are out of job. Don't believe me.....look at Matt Rule in Carolina. How long did Shurmer get in NY? NFL coaches get a very short window to win and the single most important factor in winning is sound QB play! Cousins' was NEVER getting traded unless he wouldn't sign an extension! So be it ,and the Vikings are NEVER winning the Super Bowl with Cousins.. it is what it is
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Post by redbird87 on Mar 15, 2022 18:59:32 GMT -6
If it were that simple .... every team would do it!Β It isn't....just ask the Dolphins and Browns.Β Β Furthermore, coaches and GM's want to keep their jobs so when you have a highly effective QB they don't typically like to give them away in the "Hope" of finding another one that can win in a 3 year window.Β Because if you haven't found that guy in 3 years you are probably are out of job.Β Don't believe me.....look at Matt Rule in Carolina.Β How long did Shurmer get in NY?Β NFL coaches get a very short window to win and the single most important factor in winning is sound QB play!Β Β Cousins' was NEVER getting traded unless he wouldn't sign an extension!Β Β So be it ,and the Vikings are NEVER winning the Super Bowl with Cousins.. it is what it is If you feel that way you should quit watching. Youβre hatred of Cousins is blinding you.
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