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Post by vikingsspin on Apr 13, 2021 18:49:39 GMT -6
Mock Draft Madness is in the air! I am joined by special guest Mike Castellino to discuss our most recent mock drafts and how they tie into what the #Vikings have done thus far in Free Agency. Check it out! Vikings Spin Mock Draft Discussion 2021 |
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Post by sartans11 on Apr 14, 2021 7:20:05 GMT -6
Good analysis, but both go in the direction of trading down in the 1st. It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths. The way I would do it if get the best OL I could get with 14 and a trade up into the 2nd. Darrisaw and Cleveland are the ones I root for, but would be happy with any of the larger candidates that can still move. After that - Who cares? Get the best players you can get as there are depth openings pretty much everywhere else that one can make a case for. Hell - Use the 3rd rounder for another guard depth too lol!
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Post by frantheman10 on Apr 14, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -6
I'm thinking more and more that Slater, Sewell and Darrisaw will all be gone by 14. Too many teams drafting before us with big holes at LT. And Rick is not likely to trade up to get one of the OTs.
If that's the case my best scenario would be a trade down to the 20's, grab a 2nd and draft AVT. He might not make it to the 20-23 range but he seems to be falling as teams see him more as a guard at the NFL level. You then use the 2nd rder which will be in the 50's plus the higher 3rd to get into the late 1st/early 2nd and snag a DE that fell. One of Rossaueu, Oweh or Ojulari will be around in the late 20's or early 30's picks. May need to throw in a 4th to get back into the 1st which is fine we have 4 of them.
Then we still have a 3rd and a bunch of 4th and 5th's. I would try to package the 3rd and some 4th's to get back into the late second to maybe grab a safety or WR.
After all this we still need a LT so I would sign Russell Okung for a two-year $20mm deal. Okung-AVT-Bardbury-Cleveland-O'Neill
Oweh-Pierce-Tomlinson-Hunter
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Post by VikingBerserker on Apr 14, 2021 11:38:59 GMT -6
I'm also assuming they are trading down into first to pick up more picks (ideally they want their 2nd back - or high third to package to get into 2nd). But it's a point that another option is keep 14 and try and trade your third + pick(s) and get back into 2nd that way.
Rick seems to love his picks (and more camp bodies) so I'd still expect them to trade down. But it would depend a lot on who's available. As someone pointed out, there's a good chance the best projected OTs are gone by 14 and that's high to pick an OG. But maybe if you're smitten with a DE at 14, you take that pick and try and get back into the 2nd later and take the best available OG at that pick. That's about the only way I'd see that scenario working out though. Taking an OG at 14 and trading up into 2nd for a DE doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 14, 2021 11:50:58 GMT -6
I'm also assuming they are trading down into first to pick up more picks (ideally they want their 2nd back - or high third to package to get into 2nd). But it's a point that another option is keep 14 and try and trade your third + pick(s) and get back into 2nd that way.
Rick seems to love his picks (and more camp bodies) so I'd still expect them to trade down. But it would depend a lot on who's available. As someone pointed out, there's a good chance the best projected OTs are gone by 14 and that's high to pick an OG. But maybe if you're smitten with a DE at 14, you take that pick and try and get back into the 2nd later and take the best available OG at that pick. That's about the only way I'd see that scenario working out though. Taking an OG at 14 and trading up into 2nd for a DE doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Value at OG will be better in the 2nd then at DE. Weaver maybe in 2nd. Most of top edge will be gone by 35-40 area and then I do not think value at position is there until 3rd for most part. It is a really slow group of edge overall this year and the ones that can run after the first mostly are 3-4 only. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 14, 2021 12:18:41 GMT -6
I'm also assuming they are trading down into first to pick up more picks (ideally they want their 2nd back - or high third to package to get into 2nd). But it's a point that another option is keep 14 and try and trade your third + pick(s) and get back into 2nd that way.
Rick seems to love his picks (and more camp bodies) so I'd still expect them to trade down. But it would depend a lot on who's available. As someone pointed out, there's a good chance the best projected OTs are gone by 14 and that's high to pick an OG. But maybe if you're smitten with a DE at 14, you take that pick and try and get back into the 2nd later and take the best available OG at that pick. That's about the only way I'd see that scenario working out though. Taking an OG at 14 and trading up into 2nd for a DE doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Value at OG will be better in the 2nd then at DE. Weaver maybe in 2nd. Most of top edge will be gone by 35-40 area and then I do not think value at position is there until 3rd for most part. It is a really slow group of edge overall this year and the ones that can run after the first mostly are 3-4 only. P.S. There is no way they are making 8 picks from rd 3-5as they flat out do not have the roster spots this year for them. 3-5rd picks are expensive to cut. One of the reasons Rick adds a lot of 6th and 7th rd ammo because they are much cheaper to manage. Team had back to back huge draft classes. They need 1 S, 1 LB, 1 DE, 1 OL. They could use maybe 1 CB (they still are 5 deep there) 1 TE 1WR and maybe a RB or QB? And at least 2 of those will be filled by a cheap vet? They really only have so many spots to fill this year and have a decent amount of developmental prospects in pipeline. DT is a question since it all hinges on if they want to cut Lynch. If hey want to keep him there is no room for anything but a developmental guy. Guys drafted up through 5th rd are being gifted 53 man spots generally and in some of these cases team will eat some dead money replacing guys on roster with guys drafted like Holmes, either Lynch, Osborn, and Samia. We still have developmental guys like Hinton, Willekes, Cam Smith, Dorn, Brailford, Dillon, Brandel, and Stanley they still like. |
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Post by ponifan on Apr 14, 2021 12:33:03 GMT -6
Value at OG will be better in the 2nd then at DE. Weaver maybe in 2nd. Most of top edge will be gone by 35-40 area and then I do not think value at position is there until 3rd for most part. It is a really slow group of edge overall this year and the ones that can run after the first mostly are 3-4 only. P.S. There is no way they are making 8 picks from rd 3-5as they flat out do not have the roster spots this year for them. 3-5rd picks are expensive to cut. One of the reasons Rick adds a lot of 6th and 7th rd ammo because they are much cheaper to manage. Team had back to back huge draft classes. They need 1 S, 1 LB, 1 DE, 1 OL. They could use maybe 1 CB (they still are 5 deep there) 1 TE 1WR and maybe a RB or QB? And at least 2 of those will be filled by a cheap vet? They really only have so many spots to fill this year and have a decent amount of developmental prospects in pipeline. DT is a question since it all hinges on if they want to cut Lynch. If hey want to keep him there is no room for anything but a developmental guy. Guys drafted up through 5th rd are being gifted 53 man spots generally and in some of these cases team will eat some dead money replacing guys on roster with guys drafted like Holmes, either Lynch, Osborn, and Samia. We still have developmental guys like Hinton, Willekes, Cam Smith, Dorn, Brailford, Dillon, Brandel, and Stanley they still like.
If Lynch is not in shape like the team wants, he will be gone in the first week of TC. I think Willekes and Brailford will show well though.
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 14, 2021 12:35:45 GMT -6
P.S. There is no way they are making 8 picks from rd 3-5as they flat out do not have the roster spots this year for them. 3-5rd picks are expensive to cut. One of the reasons Rick adds a lot of 6th and 7th rd ammo because they are much cheaper to manage. Team had back to back huge draft classes. They need 1 S, 1 LB, 1 DE, 1 OL. They could use maybe 1 CB (they still are 5 deep there) 1 TE 1WR and maybe a RB or QB? And at least 2 of those will be filled by a cheap vet? They really only have so many spots to fill this year and have a decent amount of developmental prospects in pipeline. DT is a question since it all hinges on if they want to cut Lynch. If hey want to keep him there is no room for anything but a developmental guy. Guys drafted up through 5th rd are being gifted 53 man spots generally and in some of these cases team will eat some dead money replacing guys on roster with guys drafted like Holmes, either Lynch, Osborn, and Samia. We still have developmental guys like Hinton, Willekes, Cam Smith, Dorn, Brailford, Dillon, Brandel, and Stanley they still like.
If Lynch is not in shape like the team wants, he will be gone in the first week of TC. I think Willekes and Brailford will show well though.
I think we will have a good idea of where they are at on DT Lynch in the draft as if they draft one in first 4 rounds they are probably ready to move on. |
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If Lynch is not in shape like the team wants, he will be gone in the first week of TC.
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Post by Pillager on Apr 14, 2021 15:53:15 GMT -6
Good analysis, but both go in the direction of trading down in the 1st. It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths. The way I would do it if get the best OL I could get with 14 and a trade up into the 2nd. Darrisaw and Cleveland are the ones I root for, but would be happy with any of the larger candidates that can still move. After that - Who cares? Get the best players you can get as there are depth openings pretty much everywhere else that one can make a case for. Hell - Use the 3rd rounder for another guard depth too lol! "It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths." Would take more than that to get into the 2nd. Our higher 3rd and our highest 4th are worth 256 points, last pick in the 2nd (64) is worth 270. Likely it would take both of our 3rds, 340 pts, which would get you pick #56 per the chart. IMO there's going to be a lot of value in the second round and second round picks will more likely go for above chart value than below. |
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Post by sartans11 on Apr 14, 2021 16:20:57 GMT -6
Good analysis, but both go in the direction of trading down in the 1st. It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths. The way I would do it if get the best OL I could get with 14 and a trade up into the 2nd. Darrisaw and Cleveland are the ones I root for, but would be happy with any of the larger candidates that can still move. After that - Who cares? Get the best players you can get as there are depth openings pretty much everywhere else that one can make a case for. Hell - Use the 3rd rounder for another guard depth too lol! "It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths." Would take more than that to get into the 2nd. Our higher 3rd and our highest 4th are worth 256 points, last pick in the 2nd (64) is worth 270. Likely it would take both of our 3rds, 340 pts, which would get you pick #56 per the chart. IMO there's going to be a lot of value in the second round and second round picks will more likely go for above chart value than below. I see your point. Don't we have 4 4ths? If that is the case you could trade the 2 3's to move up into the 2nd, and then 2 4's to get back into the 3rd if necessary. 2OL in the first 2 picks, and I wouldn't settle for leftovers. Also could use some 4th round capital to move up a spot or 2 in the 1st to get their guy if it gets that close. All 4 of their 4ths would get you to 9, and their 2 5ths could get them back in the into 4th. or even trade some of next year's capital if necessary. I don't think this is the year to have 15 7th rounders - would rather have 5 good ones. It looks like they are going all-in this year so that means they have no choice but to be aggressive; be be aggressive. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 14, 2021 16:35:59 GMT -6
Good analysis, but both go in the direction of trading down in the 1st. It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths. The way I would do it if get the best OL I could get with 14 and a trade up into the 2nd. Darrisaw and Cleveland are the ones I root for, but would be happy with any of the larger candidates that can still move. After that - Who cares? Get the best players you can get as there are depth openings pretty much everywhere else that one can make a case for. Hell - Use the 3rd rounder for another guard depth too lol! "It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths." Would take more than that to get into the 2nd. Our higher 3rd and our highest 4th are worth 256 points, last pick in the 2nd (64) is worth 270. Likely it would take both of our 3rds, 340 pts, which would get you pick #56 per the chart. IMO there's going to be a lot of value in the second round and second round picks will more likely go for above chart value than below. Or high 3rd and 2 4ths get you into the late 2nd. they could add a 5th in also for sugar. |
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Post by Vikeroo on Apr 14, 2021 16:36:51 GMT -6
"It would be interesting to get a take on trading up into the 2nd with one of the 3rds and 1 of the 4ths." Would take more than that to get into the 2nd. Our higher 3rd and our highest 4th are worth 256 points, last pick in the 2nd (64) is worth 270. Likely it would take both of our 3rds, 340 pts, which would get you pick #56 per the chart. IMO there's going to be a lot of value in the second round and second round picks will more likely go for above chart value than below. I see your point. Don't we have 4 4ths? If that is the case you could trade the 2 3's to move up into the 2nd, and then 2 4's to get back into the 3rd if necessary. 2OL in the first 2 picks, and I wouldn't settle for leftovers. Also could use some 4th round capital to move up a spot or 2 in the 1st to get their guy if it gets that close. All 4 of their 4ths would get you to 9, and their 2 5ths could get them back in the into 4th. or even trade some of next year's capital if necessary. I don't think this is the year to have 15 7th rounders - would rather have 5 good ones. It looks like they are going all-in this year so that means they have no choice but to be aggressive; be be aggressive. There actually might be very good talent in early 3rd so moving up 10 spots in 3rd might be an even better option. |
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Post by VikingBerserker on Apr 15, 2021 7:22:41 GMT -6
I'm also assuming they are trading down into first to pick up more picks (ideally they want their 2nd back - or high third to package to get into 2nd). But it's a point that another option is keep 14 and try and trade your third + pick(s) and get back into 2nd that way.
Rick seems to love his picks (and more camp bodies) so I'd still expect them to trade down. But it would depend a lot on who's available. As someone pointed out, there's a good chance the best projected OTs are gone by 14 and that's high to pick an OG. But maybe if you're smitten with a DE at 14, you take that pick and try and get back into the 2nd later and take the best available OG at that pick. That's about the only way I'd see that scenario working out though. Taking an OG at 14 and trading up into 2nd for a DE doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Value at OG will be better in the 2nd then at DE. Weaver maybe in 2nd. Most of top edge will be gone by 35-40 area and then I do not think value at position is there until 3rd for most part. It is a really slow group of edge overall this year and the ones that can run after the first mostly are 3-4 only.
I believe we're saying the same thing ... the only way the "stay @ 14/trade up into 2nd" works is if they have a DE they really want at 14 and think they can get an OG in the 2nd they want. Taking an OG in 1st and hoping for some DE help in 2nd round of this draft would be a bad idea.
That said maybe the Vikes brain trust will go and get 2 CBs --- we know their love of slow developing CBs and now Gladney is in trouble (too bad they didn't get Winfield Jr).
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