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Post by taz24 on Jan 22, 2024 12:13:00 GMT -6
Goff 1. Mahomes 10 Jackson 32 Purdy Last
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 22, 2024 12:23:47 GMT -6
A vast majority of the playoff and top league QBs are first rounders. Yes, every blue moon a mid or late rounder like Wilson or Purdy will lead their team deep into the playoffs but most top QBs are found in round one. AS lot of first rde QBs also bust out but a team's chance of finding their long term guy is vastly higher in rd one.
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Post by JR44 on Jan 22, 2024 13:16:23 GMT -6
I think the most important take is that the two top QBs in the playoff who totally carried their teams, Mahomes and Allen were both taken in the top 10 of the draft by teams that made an aggressive move to trade up to get the QB they were targeting. When you need a QB you just can't sit back and see who falls, but need to do what you have to do to get your QB.
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Post by mg415 on Jan 22, 2024 13:16:57 GMT -6
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Post by taz24 on Jan 22, 2024 13:47:11 GMT -6
The Aggressive move up seems to be fine if you correctly identify the right guy worth the draft capital you are preparing to spend. That seems to be a 50/50 chance at best.
49ers identified Trey Lance Panthers identified Bryce Young Bears identified Fields
I am not opposed to trading up to take a QB. I wonder which QB will prove to be worth it if any?
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Post by iceratz16 on Jan 22, 2024 13:49:49 GMT -6
The Aggressive move up seems to be fine if you correctly identify the right guy worth the draft capital you are preparing to spend. That seems to be a 50/50 chance at best. 49ers identified Trey Lance Panthers identified Bryce Young Bears identified Fields I am not opposed to trading up to take a QB. I wonder which QB will prove to be worth it if any? That said, I'd prefer to be aggressive, rather than sitting back, waiting for the next Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson to fall in our laps. This is the same approach to the game plans. Aggressive is mostly the way to go as opposed to playing prevent and playing conservative by burning clock too far in advance.
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Post by taz24 on Jan 22, 2024 14:11:09 GMT -6
Kwesi has had 2 drafts In 2022 the guys possible to identify and move up for were Kenny Pickett In 2023 Bryce Young CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson So we don't really know if Kwesi would trade big draft capital to move up fora QB worth it other than he did not or was unable to move up for CJ Stroud. Posters that bemoan the Vikings NOT moving up the last few years for a QB seem to think there were a whole bunch of great opportunities and we failed to pull the trigger. Even Spellies last draft 2021 Trevor Lawrence Zack Wilson Trey Lance Justin Fields Mac Jones
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Post by taz24 on Jan 22, 2024 14:13:17 GMT -6
gameplans and last game management is determined by KOC and coordinators.
draft strategy is likely mor Kwesi and scouts.
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 22, 2024 15:10:36 GMT -6
Kwesi has had 2 drafts In 2022 the guys possible to identify and move up for were Kenny Pickett In 2023 Bryce Young CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson So we don't really know if Kwesi would trade big draft capital to move up fora QB worth it other than he did not or was unable to move up for CJ Stroud. Posters that bemoan the Vikings NOT moving up the last few years for a QB seem to think there were a whole bunch of great opportunities and we failed to pull the trigger. Even Spellies last draft 2021 Trevor Lawrence Zack Wilson Trey Lance Justin Fields Mac Jones
I read somewhere that Kwesi was very aggressive last year in trying to move up for Richardson but came up short. Not sure if Richardson will be a boom or bust but KAM doesnt seem to be afraid of rolling the dice with a move up.
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Post by mjollnir on Jan 22, 2024 15:18:36 GMT -6
The Aggressive move up seems to be fine if you correctly identify the right guy worth the draft capital you are preparing to spend. That seems to be a 50/50 chance at best. 49ers identified Trey Lance Panthers identified Bryce Young Bears identified Fields I am not opposed to trading up to take a QB. I wonder which QB will prove to be worth it if any? That said, I'd prefer to be aggressive, rather than sitting back, waiting for the next Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson to fall in our laps. This is the same approach to the game plans. Aggressive is mostly the way to go as opposed to playing prevent and playing conservative by burning clock too far in advance. So how many times ? Guys underlined actually won it all, maybe just not with the team that drafted them. Interesting of the 57 Super Bowls 18 different 1st Round QB's have won it albeit multiple times: Bob Griese (2) Terry Bradshaw (4) Jim Plunkett (2) Troy Aikman (3) John Elway (2) Peyton Manning (3) Eli Manning (2) Ben Roethlisberger (2) Patrick Mahomes (2). Super Bowl era starting in 1966. Bob Griese was the first to win one drafted in the era. Namath was 1st over all in the AFL for the Jets 12th over all for the Cardinals (1964), Len Dawson was taken 5th over all by the Steelers (1957). Bears (six): Justin Fields (2021); Mitchell Trubisky (2017); Rex Grossman (2003); Cade McNown (1999); Jim Harbaugh (1987); Jim McMahon (1982). Bengals (six): Joe Burrow (2020); Carson Palmer (2003); Akili Smith (1999); David Klinger (1992); Jack Thompson (1979); Greg Cook (1969).
Bills (four): Josh Allen (2018); EJ Manuel (2013); J.P. Losman (2004); Jim Kelly (1983).
Broncos (four): Paxton Lynch (2016); Tim Tebow (2010); Jay Cutler (2006); Tommy Maddox (1992).
Browns (seven): Baker Mayfield (2018); Johnny Manziel (2014); Brandon Weeden (2012); Brady Quinn (2007); Tim Couch (1999); Bernie Kosar (1985 supplemental); Mike Phipps (1970).
Buccaneers (six): Jameis Winston (2015); Josh Freeman (2009); Trent Dilfer (1994); Steve Young (1986 supplemental); Vinny Testaverde (1987); Doug Williams (1978). Colts (seven): Anthony Richardson (2023); Andrew Luck (2012); Peyton Manning (1998); Jeff George (1990); John Elway (1983); Art Schlicter (1982); Bert Jones (1973).
Cardinals (six): Kyler Murray (2019); Josh Rosen (2018); Matt Leinart (2006); Timm Rosenbach (1989 supplemental); Kelly Stouffer (1987); Steve Pisarkiewicz (1977).
Chargers (four): Justin Herbert (2020); Eli Manning (2004); Ryan Leaf (1998); Marty Domres (1969).
Chiefs (three): Patrick Mahomes (2017); Todd Blackledge (1983); Steve Fuller (1979).
Cowboys (two): Troy Aikman (1989); Steve Walsh (1989 supplemental).
Dolphins (five): Tua Tagovailoa (2020); Ryan Tannehill (2012); Dan Marino (1983); Bob Griese (1967); Rick Norton (1966).
Eagles (three): Carson Wentz (2016); Donovan McNabb (1999); John Reaves (1972);
Falcons (five): Matt Ryan (2008); Michael Vick (2001); Chris Miller (1987); Steve Bartowski (1975); Randy Johnson (1966).
49ers (four): Trey Lance (2021); Alex Smith (2005); Jim Druckenmiller (1997); Steve Spurrier (1967).
Giants (four): Daniel Jones (2019); Philip Rivers (2004); Dave Brown (1992 supplemental); Phil Simms (1979). Jaguars (four): Trevor Lawrence (2021); Blake Bortles (2013); Blaine Gabbert (2011); Byron Leftwich (2003).
Jets (six): Zach Wilson (2021); Sam Darnold (2018); Mark Sanchez (2009); Chad Pennington (2000); Ken OβBrien (1983); Richard Todd (1976).
Lions (five): Matthew Stafford (2009); Joey Harrington (2002); Andre Ware (1990); Chuck Long (1986); Greg Landry (1968).
Packers (five): Jordan Love (2020); Aaron Rodgers (2005); Rich Campbell (1981); Jerry Tagge (1972); Don Horn (1967).
Panthers (two): Bryce Young (2023); Cam Newton (2011); Kerry Collins (1995).
Patriots (three): Mac Jones (2021); Drew Bledsoe (1993); Tony Eason (1983); Jim Plunkett (1971).
Raiders (three): JaMarcus Russell (2007); Todd Marinovich (1991); Marc Wilson (1980).
Rams (two): Jared Goff (2016); Sam Bradford (2010).
Ravens (three): Lamar Jackson (2018); Joe Flacco (2008); Kyle Boller (2003).
Saints (two): Dave Wilson (1981 supplemental); Archie Manning (1971).
Seahawks (two): Rick Mirer (1993); Dan McGwire (1991).
Steelers (four): Kenny Pickett 2022; Ben Roethlisberger (2004); Mark Malone (1980); Terry Bradshaw (1970). Texans (three): C.J. Stroud (2023); Deshaun Watson (2017); David Carr (2002).
Titans (six): Marcus Mariota (2015); Jake Locker (2011); Vince Young (2006); Steve McNair (1995); Jim Everett (1986); Dan Pastorini (1971).
Vikings (four): Teddy Bridgewater (2014); Christian Ponder (2011); Daunte Culpepper (1999); Tommy Kramer (1977).
Washington (five): Dwayne Haskins (2019); Robert Griffin III (2012); Jason Campbell (2005); Patrick Ramsey (2002); Heath Shuler (1994).
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Post by vikes79 on Jan 22, 2024 15:18:51 GMT -6
Kwesi has had 2 drafts In 2022 the guys possible to identify and move up for wereΒ Kenny Pickett In 2023Β Bryce YoungΒ CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson So we don't really know if Kwesi would trade big draft capital to move up fora QB worth it other than he did not or was unable to move up for CJ Stroud. Posters that bemoan the Vikings NOT moving up the last few years for a QB seem to think there were a whole bunch of great opportunities and we failed to pull the trigger.Β Β Even Spellies last draftΒ 2021 Trevor Lawrence Zack Wilson Trey Lance Justin Fields Mac Jones
I have no problem moving up some spots to draft a QBβ¦what I donβt care for is trading the farm for a QB when the entire team needs drastic help everywhere you look.
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Post by tavike on Jan 22, 2024 15:36:31 GMT -6
The Aggressive move up seems to be fine if you correctly identify the right guy worth the draft capital you are preparing to spend. That seems to be a 50/50 chance at best. 49ers identified Trey Lance Panthers identified Bryce Young Bears identified Fields I am not opposed to trading up to take a QB. I wonder which QB will prove to be worth it if any? It's what you have to do to be successful. If you don't take the swing, you have zero chance. Can't be afraid to fail when you've been failing to reach the SB for almost 50 years.
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Post by drhoades on Jan 22, 2024 16:38:40 GMT -6
so lets look at the numbers provided in this thread:
135 qbs picked in the first round 17 won a Super Bowl equaling a 12.59% hit rate 4 won with a different team which means the team that picked them did not win because of that pick 13 won with the team that hit on them equaling a 9.63% hit rate.
Not very good odds.
I would argue that of the seventeen that won, none of them were because their team traded a bunch of draft capital to move up and dumped their best players because of the cap which is what the "tankers" and "move uppers" have been espousing this whole season.
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Post by drhoades on Jan 22, 2024 16:39:34 GMT -6
The Aggressive move up seems to be fine if you correctly identify the right guy worth the draft capital you are preparing to spend. That seems to be a 50/50 chance at best. 49ers identified Trey Lance Panthers identified Bryce Young Bears identified Fields I am not opposed to trading up to take a QB. I wonder which QB will prove to be worth it if any? It's what you have to do to be successful. If you don't take the swing, you have zero chance. Can't be afraid to fail when you've been failing to reach the SB for almost 50 years. so every team that has been successful traded up to pick a QB? LOL OK
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Post by franklin99 on Jan 22, 2024 16:51:18 GMT -6
so lets look at the numbers provided in this thread: 135 qbs picked in the first round 17 won a Super Bowl equaling a 12.59% hit rate 4 won with a different team which means the team that picked them did not win because of that pick 13 won with the team that hit on them equaling a 9.63% hit rate. Not very good odds. I would argue that of the seventeen that won, none of them were because their team traded a bunch of draft capital to move up and dumped their best players because of the cap which is what the "tankers" and "move uppers" have been espousing this whole season. Yes, keep Cousins till he's 55 yrs old. We get it. Or do you have a secret place to get better odds? CFL? XFL? Kirk's children?
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