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Post by skolvike on Feb 11, 2023 14:22:53 GMT -6
The Vikings are 0-4 in SBs, and we haven't been to one in over 40 years. I haven't heard anywhere NEAR the abuse given any of the starting QBs during the Vikings' 61 years that is directed towards Kirk Cousins. So put up or shut up: Which of the previous small army of Viking QBs do you think is better than Cousins since NONE of them have gotten us there either? What makes them better, and why? You MUST have some favorite that is much better than Cousins since he receives so much more grief from so many more people. I'd like to read your opinions on our frormer superior QBs.
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Post by taz24 on Feb 11, 2023 14:39:55 GMT -6
Did you wake up in a bad mood?
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Post by drhoades1 on Feb 11, 2023 14:47:48 GMT -6
I agree with Skolvike. The sad truth is they wonβt be able to come up with one.
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Post by taz24 on Feb 11, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -6
I don't mind Cousins. Like him better now than first year or two. His accuracy has grown on me.
To win I would prefer Tarkenton or Favre.
I am not sure why our lack of a Rich history of Great QBs matters to those critical of Cousins???
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Post by zenzabar on Feb 11, 2023 14:58:31 GMT -6
hes absolutely right... disagree go read these forums last year an year before...90% of people posted thier dismay over kirk daily...even as adult children mulitiple posts daily
....multiple posts of whining for a couple years...every f******* day it went on an on
half the geniuses here are a joke an i dont take much of anything serious they have to say
instead of (nope) deranged syndrome we have the kirk deranged syndrome here
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Post by taz24 on Feb 11, 2023 15:02:33 GMT -6
I thought last year Lot of poster thought Kirk had loosened up. Was wearing chains and grinning on the planes. Was the nerd that could sling a pigskin.
I mean if the original thought is Be thankful for Kirk because he is better than Steve Bono ever was I agree.
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Post by hosmerfan on Feb 11, 2023 15:02:56 GMT -6
Ok, Iβll play. Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson both lead teams to a Super Bowl and Brad won one. I wish weβd have kept them. Although they didnβt have Kirkβs arm, they were better QBs because they did what it took to win games and get to the dance. Also, Joe, Fran and Favre because they also proved they could lead teams to a Super Bowl. We got rid of Gannon for McMahon and Salisbury. Thatβs why this team canβt get to the dance because they make dumb decisions at QB. There, that ought to get you going. π€
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Post by taz24 on Feb 11, 2023 15:11:48 GMT -6
The LEGEND of Kyle Sloter far exceeds the level of play that Kirk has ever attained. Not even close.
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Post by frantheman10 on Feb 11, 2023 16:43:39 GMT -6
Where Kirk ranks in Viking QB history is rather irrelevant. Being better than most previous QBs doesnβt make him good enough to win it all now. I was happy when we signed Kirk. Then wanted him gone after his first contract. And now think heβs a borderline top 10 QB with his play over the last two years but I wouldnβt be opposed to moving on for a better alternative. I think that the put up or shut up questions is. If you donβt want Kirk to be our QB in 2023 or 2024, then whatβs your plan?
1) trade our entire 2023 and 2024 draft to move up and take a top 10 guy this year?
2) trade Kirk and strip the roster to tank in 2023 and get a top 5 pick in 2024?
3) trade for a reclamation project like Lance or Wilson?
4) trade Kirk and sign another bet like Carr or Jimmy G for maybe less money.
5) draft a QB later in the draft and hope to hit on a Hurts or Wilson in the 2nd or 3rd rd.
6) other options. Iβm all ears.
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Post by tavike on Feb 11, 2023 17:42:17 GMT -6
The Vikings are 0-4 in SBs, and we haven't been to one in over 40 years. I haven't heard anywhere NEAR the abuse given any of the starting QBs during the Vikings' 61 years that is directed towards Kirk Cousins. So put up or shut up: Which of the previous small army of Viking QBs do you think is better than Cousins since NONE of them have gotten us there either? What makes them better, and why? You MUST have some favorite that is much better than Cousins since he receives so much more grief from so many more people. I'd like to read your opinions on our frormer superior QBs. You mean besides Tarkenton, right? I got nothing except Favre for the one year.
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Post by skolvike on Feb 11, 2023 18:41:57 GMT -6
The Vikings are 0-4 in SBs, and we haven't been to one in over 40 years. I haven't heard anywhere NEAR the abuse given any of the starting QBs during the Vikings' 61 years that is directed towards Kirk Cousins. So put up or shut up: Which of the previous small army of Viking QBs do you think is better than Cousins since NONE of them have gotten us there either? What makes them better, and why? You MUST have some favorite that is much better than Cousins since he receives so much more grief from so many more people. I'd like to read your opinions on our frormer superior QBs. You mean besides Tarkenton, right? I got nothing except Favre for the one year. How many SBs did Tarkenton win again? I forgot.
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Post by Vikeroo on Feb 11, 2023 19:09:53 GMT -6
Culpepper's best was better then Kirk. 98' RC and '09 Favre. Tommy when healthy was comparable. Tark is obviously a legend and Kirk will never be that. For goodness sake Wade WIlson took the team further then Kirk ever has and he has more playoff wins to boot. 5 years Kirk has done about as much as a washed up Jim McMahon did for us.
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Post by Vikeroo on Feb 11, 2023 19:12:31 GMT -6
You mean besides Tarkenton, right? I got nothing except Favre for the one year. How many SBs did Tarkenton win again? I forgot. Jeez dude he is a HoF'er and held about every QB record when he retired passing or rushing. QB'd the team to 3 SB appearances. Kirk has never gotten past the Divisional Round. before you say Tark played on better teams the 18' and 19' squads were SB worthy rosters that Kirk under performed on.
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Post by skolvike on Feb 11, 2023 19:53:51 GMT -6
How many SBs did Tarkenton win again? I forgot. Jeez dude he is a HoF'er and held about every QB record when he retired passing or rushing. QB'd the team to 3 SB appearances. Kirk has never gotten past the Divisional Round. before you say Tark played on better teams the 18' and 19' squads were SB worthy rosters that Kirk under performed on. So what? There are approximately 34,000 posts on this board stating beyond question that the only thing that matters is a QB that can WIN THE SUPER BOWL!!! Period! End of story! Fini! Done! Tark came closest, but no cigar, which according to fan definition, makes him not the greatest Viking QB but the WORST FAILURE in Viking history since he failed not once, not twice, but 3 times to become the poster boy for Viking futility. The answer for my question is that by Board definition there isn't a single QB in Viking history better than Kirk cousins since the board has made winning the SB the ONLY criteria of excellence. HOF? Doesn't matter. Better scrambler? Meh. Stronger arm? Irrelevant. Won a SB for another team? Doesn't count. The only thing that matters to most of this board is their personal statement "Kirk can't win a SB." Well, folks, nether did Tark, Culpepper, Favre, Kapp, Moon, Kramer, Johnson, or any of the rest of the guys that stood over Center in purple. The major difference between ALL of them and Kirk Cousins is they're ALL long gone, and their chance went with them. How about waiting to the end of Cousins' career here before throwing him on that odiferous pile of Viking failures?
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Post by skolvike on Feb 11, 2023 19:56:04 GMT -6
Culpepper's best was better then Kirk. 98' RC and '09 Favre. Tommy when healthy was comparable. Tark is obviously a legend and Kirk will never be that. For goodness sake Wade WIlson took the team further then Kirk ever has and he has more playoff wins to boot. 5 years Kirk has done about as much as a washed up Jim McMahon did for us. Which SB did he win again?
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