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Post by indyvike on Jan 18, 2023 6:40:52 GMT -6
You can check on my post I have fully supported Kirk Cousins. But this stat helped me realize after next year Kirk should not be our quarterback.
Here’s a fully guaranteed contract and no trade clause so he will be here next season.
Ages of Remaining QBs In Playoffs
Dak Prescott - 29 Patrick Mahomes - 27 Joe Burrow - 26 Josh Allen - 26 Daniel Jones - 25 Jalen Hurts - 24 Trevor Lawrence - 23 Brock Purdy - 23
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Post by RF54 on Jan 18, 2023 7:26:00 GMT -6
The Vikings QB is constantly looked at and judged just like every single QB in the league. The QB position is simply the most important on the field in the current NFL, but Kirk does not get the credit that he deserves. He is one of the better QBs in the league yet he gets no support from fans and is continually questioned.
There is little doubt why the Vikings lost vs the Giants. The Vikings field one of the worst defenses in the entire league, hovering around 31st all year. When needed, the defense could not get stops against even average to below average offenses. The '22 Vikings D was giving up over 400 yds week after week and while Kirk and the offense would continue to bail the team out, record 8 come from behind wins, it is unsustainable.
Tell me who has been a better QB for the Vikings ever? When the Vikings aquired Kirk he was the best available QB on the free agent market and I will argue that he has been a huge success as a free agent signee. As Bud Grant said when asked about Kirk and the QB position he said he liked him because he is always on the field. Kirk has not missed a game for injury since coming to the Vikings. He takes big hit after big hit and keeps making plays.
His age is getting up there, and a replacement will be needed sooner or later but the Vikings are far more likely to miss on QBs going forward than they are to get a better QB than Kirk.
10 QB's played this weekend, incl. Burrow, Allen, Herbert & Lawrence. Here's where Kirk ranked among all the 10 QB's this weekend:
#1 PFF overall grade #1 PFF passing grade #1 CPOE #2 EPA/Play #1 EPA+CPOE #1 completion % #1 accuracy grade #2 QBR
So the haters will hate, the supporters will support and the Vikings will go forward trying to find the best guy to kead their team.
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Post by bosshogg on Jan 18, 2023 8:09:18 GMT -6
Cousins does not bother me as much as others …but we have had 2 QBs drafted in the 1st round this millennium and that was Ponder and TB .
All the QBs you listed were drafted by their team not sure why the Vikes can’t seem to find a drafted franchise QB. I get there are a bunch of high 1st round guys… Dak,Hurts and Purdy were not though.
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Post by hosmerfan on Jan 18, 2023 8:16:43 GMT -6
Cousins is a good QB who in big moments checks down on 4th and long. He didn’t lose the game but he did check down on our last shot. That’s why he gets no respect. If Kwesi doesn’t draft a QB in every draft until he hits on one then he’ll be as useless as trader Rick was in pursuit of a SB win. This year was on the defense but Cousins isn’t getting any younger and most likely won’t improve much anymore.
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Post by RF54 on Jan 18, 2023 9:24:11 GMT -6
Cousins is a good QB who in big moments checks down on 4th and long. Not true, he did it in the last game, but he tied the record for come from behind wins with 8 this year. That is not checking down in big moments
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Post by budgrant1 on Jan 18, 2023 9:28:04 GMT -6
5 years ago... Cousins missing piece for Super Bowl
Now...Must build team around Kirk for Super Bowl
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Post by willieteal37 on Jan 18, 2023 9:34:00 GMT -6
Dak versus Cousins is a wash IMO. I would argue durability and actual performance favors Cousins.
We will see on Purdy. I remember when everyone was crazy about Mac Jones. Remember that? He isn't even close to being in Cousin's league.
I would claim that the torch has passed to a new generation of QBS: Mahomes, Burrows, Allen are the best and Lawrence is ascending. I would like to see Hurts play some more and last another year if he is the real deal. Herbert's career is looking just like Cousins.
Anyone for Lamar Jackson? How about Kyler Murray? Or Tua? We all want that game-changing, franchise QB. But what we have is a QB that slots in that 5-8 QB overall range which isn't too bad. He's just not enough to really carry a team and make up for gaps.
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Post by hosmerfan on Jan 18, 2023 9:49:58 GMT -6
Cousins is a good QB who in big moments checks down on 4th and long. Not true, he did it in the last game, but he tied the record for come from behind wins with 8 this year. That is not checking down in big moments Actually true. He checked down in the playoffs, when it mattered most. There is no excuse for that, none. If it were not true, he would have actually thrown the ball to someone beyond the marker and allowed them to make a play like, say, the Buffalo game.
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Post by 1angryviking on Jan 18, 2023 9:50:25 GMT -6
Cousins is a good QB who in big moments checks down on 4th and long. He didn’t lose the game but he did check down on our last shot. That’s why he gets no respect. If Kwesi doesn’t draft a QB in every draft until he hits on one then he’ll be as useless as trader Rick was in pursuit of a SB win. This year was on the defense but Cousins isn’t getting any younger and most likely won’t improve much anymore. Very few people have a realistic view of Cousins. They either put him on the cross as their persecuted messiah or they write him as the devil. The reality is that he is somewhere above the middle of those two... he is as good as those around him without making anyone better.
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Post by lunas on Jan 18, 2023 10:08:28 GMT -6
Washington and Minnesota could never win a SB with Cousins as their QB because he is getting paid like a QB who can carry a team by himself and hamstrings the salary cap to build around him.
Unfortunately he can’t.
The mistake isn’t his fault. It’s the front office who is making this critical mistake that Washington figured out 5 years ago.
You either try to build your franchise by spending money on players and surround a QB on a rookie contract or pay a HOF QB big money and have him carry a team to make up for deficiencies of the rest is team due to salary cap problems.
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Post by jeffsiemon on Jan 18, 2023 10:26:09 GMT -6
If the Vikings were to decide to move on from KC, then you would rebuild. What does that mean? Find a team interested in him that he would go to since he has a no trade clause. Then you cut Smith, Hendricks, Cook, Thielen. So the Vikings would be the Bears in 2023. Guess what? JJ wants no part of that. So you would have to open bidding and get the most picks available. At this point, you might as well trade TJ and get best pick available and free yourself of $9.5 million.
I don’t see it. Time will tell but I think they try to remain competitive.
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Post by wolfpack87 on Jan 18, 2023 10:42:22 GMT -6
5 years ago... Cousins missing piece for Super Bowl Now...Must build team around Kirk for Super Bowl Translates to "Never winning a Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins"
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Post by frantheman10 on Jan 18, 2023 10:53:52 GMT -6
I’ve been a huge critic of Kirk who this year became a fan. The team finally gave Kirk a good HC and an average OL and he had a strong year, often bailing out a piss poor defense. He was sacked and hit more than any QB in the league and still had like 4800 yards passing.
Now having said that, Kirk is going to be 35 and makes a lot money. Eventually the team will have to replace him. Another point in Kirk’s favor is that the guy is tough and never gets hurt. How much did Lamar help the ravens this weekend?
The question is, if not Kirk then who? I don’t have patience for posters that bitch about Kirk and then just say we need to get a good, young mobile QB. Thanks, genius. What’s your plan.
Is there a QB that will be available at 23 who will be better than Kirk? Is there a guy in FA that is younger and more mobile? Are you will to trade multiple high picks in 2024 and 2025 to move from 23 to the top 10 to get a guy coming out this year?
My guess is that the Vikings will let Kirk play out his contract in 2023. They will use the draft and limited cap to try and fix the defense and see if they can make a deeper run next year. If that fails, the team will move on from Kirk and probably go all in to get a QB in the 2024 draft.
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Post by RF54 on Jan 18, 2023 11:17:19 GMT -6
I’ve been a huge critic of Kirk who this year became a fan. The team finally gave Kirk a good HC and an average OL and he had a strong year, often bailing out a piss poor defense. He was sacked and hit more than any QB in the league and still had like 4800 yards passing. Now having said that, Kirk is going to be 35 and makes a lot money. Eventually the team will have to replace him. Another point in Kirk’s favor is that the guy is tough and never gets hurt. How much did Lamar help the ravens this weekend? The question is, if not Kirk then who? I don’t have patience for posters that bitch about Kirk and then just say we need to get a good, young mobile QB. Thanks, genius. What’s your plan. Is there a QB that will be available at 23 who will be better than Kirk? Is there a guy in FA that is younger and more mobile? Are you will to trade multiple high picks in 2024 and 2025 to move from 23 to the top 10 to get a guy coming out this year? My guess is that the Vikings will let Kirk play out his contract in 2023. They will use the draft and limited cap to try and fix the defense and see if they can make a deeper run next year. If that fails, the team will move on from Kirk and probably go all in to get a QB in the 2024 draft. this is an excellent post, one of the best I have ever read on this board
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Post by budgrant1 on Jan 18, 2023 11:33:38 GMT -6
I’ve been a huge critic of Kirk who this year became a fan. The team finally gave Kirk a good HC and an average OL and he had a strong year, often bailing out a piss poor defense. He was sacked and hit more than any QB in the league and still had like 4800 yards passing. Now having said that, Kirk is going to be 35 and makes a lot money. Eventually the team will have to replace him. Another point in Kirk’s favor is that the guy is tough and never gets hurt. How much did Lamar help the ravens this weekend? The question is, if not Kirk then who? I don’t have patience for posters that bitch about Kirk and then just say we need to get a good, young mobile QB. Thanks, genius. What’s your plan. Is there a QB that will be available at 23 who will be better than Kirk? Is there a guy in FA that is younger and more mobile? Are you will to trade multiple high picks in 2024 and 2025 to move from 23 to the top 10 to get a guy coming out this year? My guess is that the Vikings will let Kirk play out his contract in 2023. They will use the draft and limited cap to try and fix the defense and see if they can make a deeper run next year. If that fails, the team will move on from Kirk and probably go all in to get a QB in the 2024 draft. Those Questions and many many more will have to be answered by the COLLBORATION
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